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Fantasy » alt.fan.pratchett » [I] And Not Half Soon Enough
[I] And Not Half Soon Enough [message #266985] Mo, 15 Mai 2006 03:43
Stacie Hanes  
I turned in my last assignment as a student a few hours ago.

As I told Adrian yesterday in an e-mail, I don't count qualifying exams and
the dissertation as homework, because they're my own research that I've
chosen and designed.

Homework is behind me.

Now I have to mark some papers and submit grades, and the semester is over.
After that, a couple of book reviews and some Pratchetty writing--that's
enough of a hint, but there's a book coming out next year (that I have a
hand in) that has to do with Discworld.


--
Stacie, 4th swordswoman of the afpocalypse.
AFPMinister of Flexible Weapons, Bondage-happy predator,
Speaker-To-Students,
AFPMistress to peachy ashie passion & AFPDeliciousSnack to 8'FED
"If you can't be a good example, you'll just have to be a horrible
warning." C. Aird, _His Burial Too_
Re: [I] And Not Half Soon Enough [message #267077 ] Mo, 15 Mai 2006 19:26
Andrew Nevill  
On Mon, 15 May 2006 01:43:05 GMT, "Stacie Hanes" <house_damodred [at] yahoo.com>
wrote:

>I turned in my last assignment as a student a few hours ago.
Yay! Congratulations.

>
>Now I have to mark some papers and submit grades, and the semester is over.
>After that, a couple of book reviews and some Pratchetty writing--that's
>enough of a hint, but there's a book coming out next year (that I have a
>hand in) that has to do with Discworld.

I'll look forward to that. In the meantime,you may be interested to know
that I've ordered Sandman papers from Amazon.
--
Andrew Nevill B.F. D.W. FdV. Reply address: anevill [at] btopenworld.com
AFPWorshipper to Spooky, AFPfiance to Sarah (Nanny Ogg) & S*****
AFPUncle to James Vaughan. You cannot value friends as pennies,
nor can you replace them as easily (Spooky in email, Aug 2001.)
Discworld Convention 2006. 18 - 26 Aug 2006 Hinckley Island Hotel
Hinckley, UK www.dwcon.org
Re: [I] And Not Half Soon Enough [message #267103 ] Mo, 15 Mai 2006 22:13
Stacie Hanes  
Andrew Nevill wrote:

>
> I'll look forward to that. In the meantime,you may be interested to
> know that I've ordered Sandman papers from Amazon.

Woohoo!

--
Stacie, 4th swordswoman of the afpocalypse.
AFPMinister of Flexible Weapons, Bondage-happy predator,
Speaker-To-Students, AFPMistress to peachy ashie passion &
AFPDeliciousSnack to 8'FED "If you can't be a good example, you'll
just have to be a horrible warning." C. Aird, _His Burial Too_
Re: [I] And Not Half Soon Enough [message #267281 ] Di, 16 Mai 2006 20:17
Andrew Nevill  
On Mon, 15 May 2006 20:13:14 GMT, "Stacie Hanes" <house_damodred [at] yahoo.com>
wrote:

>Andrew Nevill wrote:
>
>>
>> In the meantime,you may be interested to
>> know that I've ordered Sandman papers from Amazon.
>
>Woohoo!

LOL.

Hold the Woohoo. Amazon says its' 4-6 weeks delivery
However, good things are worth waiting for - so I'm expecting genius

No pressure :-)


--
Andrew Nevill B.F. D.W. FdV. Reply address: anevill [at] btopenworld.com
AFPWorshipper to Spooky, AFPfiance to Sarah (Nanny Ogg) & S*****
AFPUncle to James Vaughan. You cannot value friends as pennies,
nor can you replace them as easily (Spooky in email, Aug 2001.)
Discworld Convention 2006. 18 - 26 Aug 2006 Hinckley Island Hotel
Hinckley, UK www.dwcon.org
Re: [I] And Not Half Soon Enough [message #267348 ] Mi, 17 Mai 2006 00:36
Stacie Hanes  
Andrew Nevill wrote:
> On Mon, 15 May 2006 01:43:05 GMT, "Stacie Hanes"
> <house_damodred [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> I turned in my last assignment as a student a few hours ago.
> Yay! Congratulations.

Grades just came back. I got two B+ grades this semester, by which I am not
best pleased, but I have finished my doctoral courses with a 3.789 GPA.

I guess that's okay with me.
--
Stacie, 4th swordswoman of the afpocalypse.
AFPMinister of Flexible Weapons, Bondage-happy predator,
Speaker-To-Students, AFPMistress to peachy ashie passion &
AFPDeliciousSnack to 8'FED "If you can't be a good example, you'll
just have to be a horrible warning." C. Aird, _His Burial Too_
Re: [I] And Not Half Soon Enough [message #267351 ] Mi, 17 Mai 2006 01:03
Notifier Deamon  
Post removed (X-No-Archive: yes)
Re: [I] And Not Half Soon Enough [message #267364 ] Mi, 17 Mai 2006 01:47
Lesley Weston  
in article %tsag.1274$921.317 [at] newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net, Stacie
Hanes at house_damodred [at] yahoo.com wrote on 16/05/2006 3:36 PM:

> Andrew Nevill wrote:
>> On Mon, 15 May 2006 01:43:05 GMT, "Stacie Hanes"
>> <house_damodred [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I turned in my last assignment as a student a few hours ago.
>> Yay! Congratulations.
>
> Grades just came back. I got two B+ grades this semester, by which I am not
> best pleased, but I have finished my doctoral courses with a 3.789 GPA.
>
> I guess that's okay with me.

Not arf bad, especially since there's been rather a lot going on in your
life lately.

--
Lesley Weston.

Brightly_coloured_blob is real, but I don't often check even the few bits
that get through Yahoo's filters. To reach me, use leswes att shaw dott ca,
changing spelling and spacing as required.
Re: [I] And Not Half Soon Enough [message #267523 ] Mi, 17 Mai 2006 19:18
Andrew Nevill  
On Tue, 16 May 2006 22:36:43 GMT, "Stacie Hanes" <house_damodred [at] yahoo.com>
wrote:

>Andrew Nevill wrote:
>> On Mon, 15 May 2006 01:43:05 GMT, "Stacie Hanes"
>> <house_damodred [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I turned in my last assignment as a student a few hours ago.
>> Yay! Congratulations.
>
>Grades just came back. I got two B+ grades this semester, by which I am not
>best pleased, but I have finished my doctoral courses with a 3.789 GPA.
>
>I guess that's okay with me.

As Lesley said, you've had a lot going on so the grades are by no means bad
- it's just that you set yourself such high standards.

Have no idea how good the GPA is though, as we don't have such things here
in Yukia.

So is the PhD official now or is it subject to verification? Have you
ordered your official letter head yet? I can picture it now.Thick creamy
parchment and at the top in silver Gothic script, centre alignment, the
words:

Stacie Hanes, MA, PhD
4th Swordswoman of the Apocalypse
Afpminister of Flexible Weapons
Mistress of the Universe
Available for Weddings, Birthdays, Christenings, Bar Mitzvahs and all
Celebratory Occasions

Oh, have always posted congratulations on your blog

Think I better run away now.
--
Andrew Nevill B.F. D.W. FdV. Reply address: anevill [at] btopenworld.com
AFPWorshipper to Spooky, AFPfiance to Sarah (Nanny Ogg) & S*****
AFPUncle to James Vaughan. You cannot value friends as pennies,
nor can you replace them as easily (Spooky in email, Aug 2001.)
Discworld Convention 2006. 18 - 26 Aug 2006 Hinckley Island Hotel
Hinckley, UK www.dwcon.org
Re: [I] And Not Half Soon Enough [message #267565 ] Mi, 17 Mai 2006 22:34
raltbos  
"Stacie Hanes" <house_damodred [at] yahoo.com> wrote:

> Andrew Nevill wrote:
> > On Mon, 15 May 2006 01:43:05 GMT, "Stacie Hanes"
> > <house_damodred [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I turned in my last assignment as a student a few hours ago.
> > Yay! Congratulations.
>
> Grades just came back. I got two B+ grades this semester, by which I am not
> best pleased, but I have finished my doctoral courses with a 3.789 GPA.

Brava! Does this mean that we have to call you Doctor Hanes now?

Richard
Re: [I] And Not Half Soon Enough [message #267566 ] Mi, 17 Mai 2006 22:36
Stacie Hanes  
Andrew Nevill wrote:
> On Tue, 16 May 2006 22:36:43 GMT, "Stacie Hanes"
> <house_damodred [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Andrew Nevill wrote:
>>> On Mon, 15 May 2006 01:43:05 GMT, "Stacie Hanes"
>>> <house_damodred [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I turned in my last assignment as a student a few hours ago.
>>> Yay! Congratulations.
>>
>> Grades just came back. I got two B+ grades this semester, by which
>> I am not best pleased, but I have finished my doctoral courses
>> with a 3.789 GPA.
>>
>> I guess that's okay with me.

> Have no idea how good the GPA is though, as we don't have such
> things here in Yukia.

It's . . . hard to say.

> So is the PhD official now or is it subject to verification?

Well, there's the small matter of four four-hour exams (19th Century
British, Modern SF, Victorian Women, Latin) and the dissertation. I'm a good
deal from done, but classes are behind me.


--
Stacie, 4th swordswoman of the afpocalypse.
AFPMinister of Flexible Weapons, Bondage-happy predator,
Speaker-To-Students, AFPMistress to peachy ashie passion &
AFPDeliciousSnack to 8'FED "If you can't be a good example, you'll
just have to be a horrible warning." C. Aird, _His Burial Too_
Re: [I] And Not Half Soon Enough [message #267567 ] Mi, 17 Mai 2006 22:37
Stacie Hanes  
Richard Bos wrote:
> "Stacie Hanes" <house_damodred [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Andrew Nevill wrote:
>>> On Mon, 15 May 2006 01:43:05 GMT, "Stacie Hanes"
>>> <house_damodred [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I turned in my last assignment as a student a few hours ago.
>>> Yay! Congratulations.
>>
>> Grades just came back. I got two B+ grades this semester, by which
>> I am not best pleased, but I have finished my doctoral courses
>> with a 3.789 GPA.
>
> Brava! Does this mean that we have to call you Doctor Hanes now?


Not for another year and a half, minimum. Exams and dissertation.

But "Mistress Stacie" and "Ma'am" are *always* okay.

--
Stacie, 4th swordswoman of the afpocalypse.
AFPMinister of Flexible Weapons, Bondage-happy predator,
Speaker-To-Students, AFPMistress to peachy ashie passion &
AFPDeliciousSnack to 8'FED "If you can't be a good example, you'll
just have to be a horrible warning." C. Aird, _His Burial Too_
Re: [I] And Not Half Soon Enough [message #267625 ] Do, 18 Mai 2006 04:28
exquisite witch peach  
Stacie Hanes wrote:

> Andrew Nevill wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 16 May 2006 22:36:43 GMT, "Stacie Hanes"
>><house_damodred [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Andrew Nevill wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 15 May 2006 01:43:05 GMT, "Stacie Hanes"
>>>><house_damodred [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I turned in my last assignment as a student a few hours ago.
>>>>
>>>>Yay! Congratulations.
>>>
>>>Grades just came back. I got two B+ grades this semester, by which
>>>I am not best pleased, but I have finished my doctoral courses
>>>with a 3.789 GPA.
>>>
>>>I guess that's okay with me.
>
>
>>Have no idea how good the GPA is though, as we don't have such
>>things here in Yukia.
>
>
> It's . . . hard to say.


It's very good.
A perfect score is 4.0
Re: [I] And Not Half Soon Enough [message #267628 ] Do, 18 Mai 2006 04:28
Stacie Hanes  
peachy ashie passion wrote:
> Stacie Hanes wrote:
>
>> Andrew Nevill wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 16 May 2006 22:36:43 GMT, "Stacie Hanes"
>>> <house_damodred [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Andrew Nevill wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 15 May 2006 01:43:05 GMT, "Stacie Hanes"
>>>>> <house_damodred [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I turned in my last assignment as a student a few hours ago.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yay! Congratulations.
>>>>
>>>> Grades just came back. I got two B+ grades this semester, by
>>>> which I am not best pleased, but I have finished my doctoral
>>>> courses with a 3.789 GPA.
>>>>
>>>> I guess that's okay with me.
>>
>>
>>> Have no idea how good the GPA is though, as we don't have such
>>> things here in Yukia.
>>
>>
>> It's . . . hard to say.
>
>
> It's very good.
> A perfect score is 4.0

Yebbut, but, but I don't know how others in the program did! It might really
suck, comparatively speaking!

--
Stacie, 4th swordswoman of the afpocalypse.
AFPMinister of Flexible Weapons, Bondage-happy predator,
Speaker-To-Students, AFPMistress to peachy ashie passion &
AFPDeliciousSnack to 8'FED "If you can't be a good example, you'll
just have to be a horrible warning." C. Aird, _His Burial Too_
Re: [I] And Not Half Soon Enough [message #268909 ] Do, 18 Mai 2006 11:11
Helen  
Stacie Hanes wrote:
> peachy ashie passion wrote:
> > Stacie Hanes wrote:
> >> Andrew Nevill wrote:
> >>> "Stacie Hanes" <house_damodred [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>> Andrew Nevill wrote:
> >>>>> "Stacie Hanes" <house_damodred [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> I turned in my last assignment as a student a few hours ago.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Yay! Congratulations.
> >>>>
> >>>> Grades just came back. I got two B+ grades this semester, by
> >>>> which I am not best pleased, but I have finished my doctoral
> >>>> courses with a 3.789 GPA.
> >>>>
> >>>> I guess that's okay with me.
> >>
> >>
> >>> Have no idea how good the GPA is though, as we don't have such
> >>> things here in Yukia.
> >>
> >>
> >> It's . . . hard to say.
> >
> >
> > It's very good.
> > A perfect score is 4.0
>
> Yebbut, but, but I don't know how others in the program did! It might really
> suck, comparatively speaking!
>
Do you get a grade for your PhD or just the PhD?

In the UK, there are grades for bachelor and masters degrees but not
PhD's. Also the PhD is marked on the disertation, they might be
compulsary modules that the university sets and you have to pass, but I
don't think it matter what grade you got as long as you pass.

Helen
Re: [I] And Not Half Soon Enough [message #268914 ] Do, 18 Mai 2006 12:37
Flesh-eating Dragon  
Stacie Hanes wrote:
> peachy ashie passion wrote:

>> It's very good.
>> A perfect score is 4.0
>
> Yebbut, but, but I don't know how others in the program did! It might really
> suck, comparatively speaking!

In my opinion, the very concept of a grade point average should be
totally eradicated from all educational institutions by law.
Unfortunately, I don't have an empire, and cannot pass such laws. Put
simply, the problem is that the existence of the grade point average
as an officially recognised quantity promotes a culture of pretending
that a person's academic success can be summarised by a number, and
that's offensive. Eradicate the notion of a GPA, and you've taken the
first step to changing the culture.

Adrian.
Re: [I] And Not Half Soon Enough [message #269007 ] Do, 18 Mai 2006 20:30
alec  
In article <e4hinm$23jk$1 [at] mud.stack.nl>, dragon [at] netyp.com.au says...
> Stacie Hanes wrote:
> > peachy ashie passion wrote:
>
> >> It's very good.
> >> A perfect score is 4.0
> >
> > Yebbut, but, but I don't know how others in the program did! It might really
> > suck, comparatively speaking!
>
> In my opinion, the very concept of a grade point average should be
> totally eradicated from all educational institutions by law.
> Unfortunately, I don't have an empire, and cannot pass such laws. Put
> simply, the problem is that the existence of the grade point average
> as an officially recognised quantity promotes a culture of pretending
> that a person's academic success can be summarised by a number, and
> that's offensive. Eradicate the notion of a GPA, and you've taken the
> first step to changing the culture.

Before you do that, get rid of the atrocious simplification called IQ.

The problem is that people are not very good at handling multi-factored
choices. So they want everything reduced to a single line, and an order,
if not a position, along that line.

And such simplification is not /totally/ stupid. Opposite neds of the
spectrum probably do represent different levels of ability. But the
signal has so much noise on it that single steps within most ranges are
essentially meaningless.
Re: [I] And Not Half Soon Enough [message #269016 ] Do, 18 Mai 2006 20:49
Stacie Hanes  
Helen Taylor wrote:
> Stacie Hanes wrote:
>> peachy ashie passion wrote:
>>> Stacie Hanes wrote:
>>>> Andrew Nevill wrote:
>>>>> "Stacie Hanes" <house_damodred [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Andrew Nevill wrote:
>>>>>>> "Stacie Hanes" <house_damodred [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I turned in my last assignment as a student a few hours ago.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yay! Congratulations.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Grades just came back. I got two B+ grades this semester, by
>>>>>> which I am not best pleased, but I have finished my doctoral
>>>>>> courses with a 3.789 GPA.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I guess that's okay with me.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Have no idea how good the GPA is though, as we don't have such
>>>>> things here in Yukia.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It's . . . hard to say.
>>>
>>>
>>> It's very good.
>>> A perfect score is 4.0
>>
>> Yebbut, but, but I don't know how others in the program did! It
>> might really suck, comparatively speaking!
>>
> Do you get a grade for your PhD or just the PhD?

Just the degree and the right to wear a silly hat.

--
Stacie, 4th swordswoman of the afpocalypse.
AFPMinister of Flexible Weapons, Bondage-happy predator,
Speaker-To-Students, AFPMistress to peachy ashie passion &
AFPDeliciousSnack to 8'FED "If you can't be a good example, you'll
just have to be a horrible warning." C. Aird, _His Burial Too_
Re: [I] And Not Half Soon Enough [message #269019 ] Do, 18 Mai 2006 20:56
Stacie Hanes  
8'FED wrote:
> Stacie Hanes wrote:
>> peachy ashie passion wrote:
>
>>> It's very good.
>>> A perfect score is 4.0
>>
>> Yebbut, but, but I don't know how others in the program did! It
>> might really suck, comparatively speaking!
>

> Put simply, the problem is that the existence of the grade point
> average as an officially recognised quantity promotes a culture of
> pretending that a person's academic success can be summarised by a
> number, and that's offensive.

I don't know whether I agree with all of what you wrote, but the number I
got could be considered misleading in some ways. Looking at individual
courses reveals that I did well in literature and not as well in theory
classes.

--
Stacie, 4th swordswoman of the afpocalypse.
AFPMinister of Flexible Weapons, Bondage-happy predator,
Speaker-To-Students, AFPMistress to peachy ashie passion &
AFPDeliciousSnack to 8'FED "If you can't be a good example, you'll
just have to be a horrible warning." C. Aird, _His Burial Too_
Re: [I] And Not Half Soon Enough [message #269089 ] Fr, 19 Mai 2006 00:25
Lesley Weston  
in article fl3bg.3701$x4.2491 [at] newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net, Stacie
Hanes at house_damodred [at] yahoo.com wrote on 18/05/2006 11:49 AM:

> Helen Taylor wrote:
>> Stacie Hanes wrote:
>>> peachy ashie passion wrote:
>>>> Stacie Hanes wrote:
>>>>> Andrew Nevill wrote:
>>>>>> "Stacie Hanes" <house_damodred [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Andrew Nevill wrote:
>>>>>>>> "Stacie Hanes" <house_damodred [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I turned in my last assignment as a student a few hours ago.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yay! Congratulations.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Grades just came back. I got two B+ grades this semester, by
>>>>>>> which I am not best pleased, but I have finished my doctoral
>>>>>>> courses with a 3.789 GPA.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I guess that's okay with me.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Have no idea how good the GPA is though, as we don't have such
>>>>>> things here in Yukia.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It's . . . hard to say.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It's very good.
>>>> A perfect score is 4.0
>>>
>>> Yebbut, but, but I don't know how others in the program did! It
>>> might really suck, comparatively speaking!
>>>
>> Do you get a grade for your PhD or just the PhD?
>
> Just the degree and the right to wear a silly hat.

How silly is it, from your university? I like the Scandinavian PhD. gear -
tails and a leprechaun's hat, but the best I've ever seen is from Barcelona
(I think - a Spanish university anyway); it's a robe with a voluminous
golden cape over the shoulders and a huge golden chrysanthemum for a hat.

--
Lesley Weston.

Brightly_coloured_blob is real, but I don't often check even the few bits
that get through Yahoo's filters. To reach me, use leswes att shaw dott ca,
changing spelling and spacing as required.
Re: [I] And Not Half Soon Enough [message #269138 ] Fr, 19 Mai 2006 08:34
Shmoe  
"Stacie Hanes" <house_damodred [at] yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:3QLag.194$SX5.115 [at] newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> Richard Bos wrote:
> > "Stacie Hanes" <house_damodred [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Andrew Nevill wrote:
> >>> On Mon, 15 May 2006 01:43:05 GMT, "Stacie Hanes"
> >>> <house_damodred [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I turned in my last assignment as a student a few hours ago.
> >>> Yay! Congratulations.
> >>
> >> Grades just came back. I got two B+ grades this semester, by which
> >> I am not best pleased, but I have finished my doctoral courses
> >> with a 3.789 GPA.
> >
> > Brava! Does this mean that we have to call you Doctor Hanes now?
>
>
> Not for another year and a half, minimum. Exams and dissertation.
>
> But "Mistress Stacie" and "Ma'am" are *always* okay.
>
> --
> Stacie, 4th swordswoman of the afpocalypse.
> AFPMinister of Flexible Weapons, Bondage-happy predator,
> Speaker-To-Students, AFPMistress to peachy ashie passion &
> AFPDeliciousSnack to 8'FED "If you can't be a good example, you'll
> just have to be a horrible warning." C. Aird, _His Burial Too_
>

But is that "Mistress Doctor Stacie, Ma'am", or "Doctor Mistress Stacie,
Ma'am" ?
Re: [I] And Not Half Soon Enough [message #269140 ] Fr, 19 Mai 2006 08:53
tms  
8'FED wrote:
>
> In my opinion, the very concept of a grade point average should be
> totally eradicated from all educational institutions by law.
> Unfortunately, I don't have an empire, and cannot pass such laws. Put
> simply, the problem is that the existence of the grade point average
> as an officially recognised quantity promotes a culture of pretending
> that a person's academic success can be summarised by a number, and
> that's offensive. Eradicate the notion of a GPA, and you've taken the
> first step to changing the culture.

Check out New College in Sarasota, Fla.:

http://www.ncf.edu/

--
Thomas M. Sommers -- tms [at] nj.net -- AB2SB
Re: [I] And Not Half Soon Enough [message #269146 ] Fr, 19 Mai 2006 09:08
Stacie Hanes  
8'FED wrote:
> Stacie Hanes wrote:
>> peachy ashie passion wrote:
>
>>> It's very good.
>>> A perfect score is 4.0
>>
>> Yebbut, but, but I don't know how others in the program did! It
>> might really suck, comparatively speaking!
>
> In my opinion, the very concept of a grade point average should be
> totally eradicated from all educational institutions by law.

<shrug>

I'd be sort of adrift without it.

It's hard to admit, but academic success is what others have always seemed
to appreciate about me. Sometimes, I see it as all I have to offer; I'm good
at being a student, and the GPA is how it's measured.

--
Stacie, 4th swordswoman of the afpocalypse.
AFPMinister of Flexible Weapons, Bondage-happy predator,
Speaker-To-Students, AFPMistress to peachy ashie passion &
AFPDeliciousSnack to 8'FED "If you can't be a good example, you'll
just have to be a horrible warning." C. Aird, _His Burial Too_
Re: [I] And Not Half Soon Enough [message #269149 ] Fr, 19 Mai 2006 09:13
Stacie Hanes  
Shmoe wrote:
> "Stacie Hanes" <house_damodred [at] yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:3QLag.194$SX5.115 [at] newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>> Richard Bos wrote:

>>> Brava! Does this mean that we have to call you Doctor Hanes now?
>>
>>
>> Not for another year and a half, minimum. Exams and dissertation.
>>
>> But "Mistress Stacie" and "Ma'am" are *always* okay.
>>
>
> But is that "Mistress Doctor Stacie, Ma'am", or "Doctor Mistress
> Stacie, Ma'am" ?

In the event that I attain the degree:

Both are equally correct.

--
Stacie, 4th swordswoman of the afpocalypse.
AFPMinister of Flexible Weapons, Bondage-happy predator,
Speaker-To-Students, AFPMistress to peachy ashie passion &
AFPDeliciousSnack to 8'FED "If you can't be a good example, you'll
just have to be a horrible warning." C. Aird, _His Burial Too_
Re: [I] And Not Half Soon Enough [message #269205 ] Fr, 19 Mai 2006 17:14
Flesh-eating Dragon  
Alec Cawley wrote:
> dragon [at] netyp.com.au says...

>> In my opinion, the very concept of a grade point average should be
>> totally eradicated from all educational institutions by law.
>> Unfortunately, I don't have an empire, and cannot pass such laws. Put
>> simply, the problem is that the existence of the grade point average
>> as an officially recognised quantity promotes a culture of pretending
>> that a person's academic success can be summarised by a number, and
>> that's offensive. Eradicate the notion of a GPA, and you've taken the
>> first step to changing the culture.
>
> Before you do that, get rid of the atrocious simplification called IQ.

Yeah, but on the other hand, IQ doesn't have the same presige in our
culture that GPA does. Most people probably think of IQ as a number you
calculate from an article in a magazine, or something like that.

> The problem is that people are not very good at handling multi-factored
> choices. So they want everything reduced to a single line, and an order,
> if not a position, along that line.

Right. And it's a convenience they're not entitled to.

Adrian.
Re: [I] And Not Half Soon Enough [message #269206 ] Fr, 19 Mai 2006 17:14
Flesh-eating Dragon  
Stacie Hanes wrote:
> 8'FED wrote:

>> In my opinion, the very concept of a grade point average should be
>> totally eradicated from all educational institutions by law.
>
> <shrug>
>
> I'd be sort of adrift without it.
>
> It's hard to admit, but academic success is what others have always seemed to
> appreciate about me. Sometimes, I see it as all I have to offer; I'm good at
> being a student, and the GPA is how it's measured.


What I advocate is that whatever number you choose to use to summarise
your academic success, you ought to have to state the derivation of
that number explicitely, every time you quote it. In other words, you
ought to be forced to type a looooong sentence instead, such as, "My
average exam score was 72%", or "I scored 80% or better on 50% of my
subjects", or whatever summary you choose.

Being able to simply say, "My GPA was 3.75" is a convenient shorthand
that you (or more to the point, people seeking to employ you) should
_NOT_ be entitled to. The fact that it's a named number gives it an
artificial sense of authority, and that's where the problem lies.

Adrian.
Re: [I] And Not Half Soon Enough [message #269207 ] Fr, 19 Mai 2006 17:31
Kar98  
On 2006-05-17 15:37:19 -0500, "Stacie Hanes" <house_damodred [at] yahoo.com> said:

> But "Mistress Stacie" and "Ma'am" are *always* okay.

Perfectly normal forms of addressing people of the female persuasion
'round these parts.

--
My computer is so fast it can execute an infinite loop in 3 seconds.
Re: [I] And Not Half Soon Enough [message #269211 ] Fr, 19 Mai 2006 18:57
Arthur Hagen  
René <Kar98 [at] The-Coalition.US> wrote:
> On 2006-05-17 15:37:19 -0500, "Stacie Hanes"
> <house_damodred [at] yahoo.com> said:
>> But "Mistress Stacie" and "Ma'am" are *always* okay.
>
> Perfectly normal forms of addressing people of the female persuasion
> 'round these parts.

Oh yeah? I wouldn't risk calling the women around here "Mistress Stacie".
Obviously, things are different down south.

Regards,
--
*Art
Re: [I] And Not Half Soon Enough [message #269213 ] Fr, 19 Mai 2006 19:09
Daibhid Ceannaideach  
This is the voice of the Mystermen. We know you can hear us,
Arthur Hagen:

> René <Kar98 [at] The-Coalition.US> wrote:
>> On 2006-05-17 15:37:19 -0500, "Stacie Hanes"
>> <house_damodred [at] yahoo.com> said:
>>> But "Mistress Stacie" and "Ma'am" are *always* okay.
>>
>> Perfectly normal forms of addressing people of the female
>> persuasion 'round these parts.
>
> Oh yeah? I wouldn't risk calling the women around here
> "Mistress Stacie". Obviously, things are different down
> south.

I think it depends on whether or not the woman in question is
actually named Stacie.

--
Dave
Official Absentee of EU Skiffeysoc
http://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/sesoc
"What do monsters have nightmares about?"
"Me!"
-The Doctor
Re: [I] And Not Half Soon Enough [message #269225 ] Fr, 19 Mai 2006 19:56
Kar98  
On 2006-05-19 12:09:28 -0500, Daibhid Ceanaideach
<daibhidchenedelh [at] aol.com> said:

> Arthur Hagen:
>> René <Kar98 [at] The-Coalition.US> wrote:
>>> On 2006-05-17 15:37:19 -0500, "Stacie Hanes"
>>> <house_damodred [at] yahoo.com> said:
>>>> But "Mistress Stacie" and "Ma'am" are *always* okay.
>>>
>>> Perfectly normal forms of addressing people of the female
>>> persuasion 'round these parts.
>>
>> Oh yeah? I wouldn't risk calling the women around here
>> "Mistress Stacie". Obviously, things are different down
>> south.
>
> I think it depends on whether or not the woman in question is actually
> named Stacie.

Nah, not really. Better to pretend you remembered her name wrong, than
obviously not having tried to remember her name at all.


--
My computer is so fast it can execute an infinite loop in 3 seconds.
Re: [I] And Not Half Soon Enough [message #269241 ] Fr, 19 Mai 2006 21:34
exquisite witch peach  
8'FED wrote:

> Stacie Hanes wrote:
>
>>8'FED wrote:
>
>
>>>In my opinion, the very concept of a grade point average should be
>>>totally eradicated from all educational institutions by law.
>>
>><shrug>
>>
>>I'd be sort of adrift without it.
>>
>>It's hard to admit, but academic success is what others have always seemed to
>>appreciate about me. Sometimes, I see it as all I have to offer; I'm good at
>>being a student, and the GPA is how it's measured.
>
>
>
> What I advocate is that whatever number you choose to use to summarise
> your academic success, you ought to have to state the derivation of
> that number explicitely, every time you quote it. In other words, you
> ought to be forced to type a looooong sentence instead, such as, "My
> average exam score was 72%", or "I scored 80% or better on 50% of my
> subjects", or whatever summary you choose.
>
> Being able to simply say, "My GPA was 3.75" is a convenient shorthand
> that you (or more to the point, people seeking to employ you) should
> _NOT_ be entitled to. The fact that it's a named number gives it an
> artificial sense of authority, and that's where the problem lies.
>
> Adrian.
>
>

But what on earth is artificial about it?

It is a numeric statement of how you did in your courses.

It does not pretend to be anything else.
Re: [I] And Not Half Soon Enough [message #269246 ] Fr, 19 Mai 2006 21:44
Rocky Frisco  
Alec Cawley wrote:

> In article <e4hinm$23jk$1 [at] mud.stack.nl>, dragon [at] netyp.com.au says...
>
>>Stacie Hanes wrote:
>>
>>>peachy ashie passion wrote:
>>
>>>> It's very good.
>>>> A perfect score is 4.0
>>>
>>>Yebbut, but, but I don't know how others in the program did! It might really
>>>suck, comparatively speaking!
>>
>>In my opinion, the very concept of a grade point average should be
>>totally eradicated from all educational institutions by law.
>>Unfortunately, I don't have an empire, and cannot pass such laws. Put
>>simply, the problem is that the existence of the grade point average
>>as an officially recognised quantity promotes a culture of pretending
>>that a person's academic success can be summarised by a number, and
>>that's offensive. Eradicate the notion of a GPA, and you've taken the
>>first step to changing the culture.
>
>
> Before you do that, get rid of the atrocious simplification called IQ.
>
> The problem is that people are not very good at handling multi-factored
> choices. So they want everything reduced to a single line, and an order,
> if not a position, along that line.
>
> And such simplification is not /totally/ stupid. Opposite neds of the
> spectrum probably do represent different levels of ability. But the
> signal has so much noise on it that single steps within most ranges are
> essentially meaningless.

Awwww -- you're no fun . . . I like IQ.

At almost 69 I have a measured IQ of 166, which means I have all the
mental ability of a 114 year old.

(wheeze, drool)

-Rocky
--
O'Toole's Corollary: Murphy was an optimist.
Re: [I] And Not Half Soon Enough [message #269250 ] Fr, 19 Mai 2006 22:00
Daibhid Ceannaideach  
This is the voice of the Mystermen. We know you can hear us,
Alec Cawley:

> And such simplification is not /totally/ stupid. Opposite
> neds of the spectrum probably do represent different levels
> of ability.

I think all the neds are on one end of the spectrum...

(Apologies to viewers outside Scotland, who won't get this.)

--
Dave
Official Absentee of EU Skiffeysoc
http://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/sesoc
"What do monsters have nightmares about?"
"Me!"
-The Doctor
Re: [I] And Not Half Soon Enough [message #269264 ] Fr, 19 Mai 2006 23:01
sphira9343  
Daibhid Ceanaideach wrote:
> This is the voice of the Mystermen. We know you can hear us,
> Alec Cawley:

> > And such simplification is not /totally/ stupid. Opposite
> > neds of the spectrum probably do represent different levels
> > of ability.

> I think all the neds are on one end of the spectrum...
>
> (Apologies to viewers outside Scotland, who won't get this.)

I do! A Scottish word for 'chav' or 'yob', isn't it?

CCA
Re: [I] And Not Half Soon Enough [message #269282 ] Fr, 19 Mai 2006 23:57
Daibhid Ceannaideach  
This is the voice of the Mystermen. We know you can hear us,
CCA:

>> I think all the neds are on one end of the spectrum...
>>
>> (Apologies to viewers outside Scotland, who won't get
>> this.)
>
> I do! A Scottish word for 'chav' or 'yob', isn't it?

'Tis indeed.

--
Dave
Official Absentee of EU Skiffeysoc
http://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/sesoc
"What do monsters have nightmares about?"
"Me!"
-The Doctor
Re: [I] And Not Half Soon Enough [message #269322 ] Sa, 20 Mai 2006 06:56
geminii  
On Sat, 20 May 2006 00:44:48 +0930, "8'FED" <dragon [at] netyp.com.au> wrote:

>Yeah, but on the other hand, IQ doesn't have the same presige in our
>culture that GPA does.

GPA, as far as I can tell, is a purely American thing. On the other hand,
the almighty dollar trumps both of them in the "how much people are
impressed by a larger number" stakes.


-SteveD
Re: [I] And Not Half Soon Enough [message #269323 ] Sa, 20 Mai 2006 06:57
Flesh-eating Dragon  
geminii [at] tpg.com.au wrote:
> 8'FED wrote:
>
>>Yeah, but on the other hand, IQ doesn't have the same presige in our
>>culture that GPA does.
>
> GPA, as far as I can tell, is a purely American thing. On the other hand,
> the almighty dollar trumps both of them in the "how much people are
> impressed by a larger number" stakes.

Wrong. Australian universities have GPA, too. Though I can't remember
whether ours is out of four or five.

Adrian.
Re: [I] And Not Half Soon Enough [message #269473 ] Sa, 20 Mai 2006 23:04
Jennifer Stone  
8'FED wrote:
> Stacie Hanes wrote:
>
>>peachy ashie passion wrote:
>
>
>>> It's very good.
>>> A perfect score is 4.0
>>
>>Yebbut, but, but I don't know how others in the program did! It might really
>>suck, comparatively speaking!
>
>
> In my opinion, the very concept of a grade point average should be
> totally eradicated from all educational institutions by law.
> Unfortunately, I don't have an empire,
<snip>

But mightn't Stacie let you borrow hers for an afternoon? If you
promise to look after it...

> Put simply, the problem is that the existence of the grade point average
> as an officially recognised quantity promotes a culture of pretending
> that a person's academic success can be summarised by a number, and
> that's offensive. Eradicate the notion of a GPA, and you've taken the
> first step to changing the culture.

I agree. While we're eradicating things, could we do away with
personality tests which give you a numerical score (or a sequence of
letters, which is nearly as bad)? If suggesting academic success can
be summerised by a number is offensive, then suggesting that
personality can be is even more so. OTOH, like IQ tests, these might
not really be taken seriously enough to be worth getting upset about.

In any case, congratulations to Stacie on receiving a _high_
offensively numerical score! Related to the issue of appropriate
terms of address, should I curtsey?

--
Jen[nifer Stone]
jmstone at lithoi dot demon dot co dot uk
"In housing his great tortoise, Tsang Wen-Chung
had the capitals of the pillars carved in the
shape of hills and the rafter posts painted in
a duckweed design. What is one to think of his
intelligence?" Confucius, /The Analects/
Re: [I] And Not Half Soon Enough [message #269512 ] So, 21 Mai 2006 00:27
Stacie Hanes  
Jennifer Stone wrote:

> In any case, congratulations to Stacie on receiving a _high_
> offensively numerical score! Related to the issue of appropriate
> terms of address, should I curtsey?

Curtseying is always correct behavior.

I'll find it offensive, but in a sort of perkily pleased way.

--
Stacie, 4th swordswoman of the afpocalypse.
AFPMinister of Flexible Weapons, Bondage-happy predator,
Speaker-To-Students, AFPMistress to peachy ashie passion &
AFPDeliciousSnack to 8'FED "If you can't be a good example, you'll
just have to be a horrible warning." C. Aird, _His Burial Too_
Re: [I] And Not Half Soon Enough [message #269517 ] So, 21 Mai 2006 00:30
Orjan Westin  
Stacie Hanes wrote:
> Jennifer Stone wrote:
>
>> In any case, congratulations to Stacie on receiving a _high_
>> offensively numerical score! Related to the issue of appropriate
>> terms of address, should I curtsey?
>
> Curtseying is always correct behavior.
>
> I'll find it offensive, but in a sort of perkily pleased way.

/me pauses mid-curtsey, wondering whether to go on or pretend it never
happened

Orjan
--
The Tale of Westala and Villtin
http://tale.cunobaros.com/
Fiction, Thoughts and Software
http://www.cunobaros.com/
Re: [I] And Not Half Soon Enough [message #269519 ] So, 21 Mai 2006 00:34
Stacie Hanes  
Orjan Westin wrote:
> Stacie Hanes wrote:
>> Jennifer Stone wrote:
>>
>>> In any case, congratulations to Stacie on receiving a _high_
>>> offensively numerical score! Related to the issue of appropriate
>>> terms of address, should I curtsey?
>>
>> Curtseying is always correct behavior.
>>
>> I'll find it offensive, but in a sort of perkily pleased way.
>
> /me pauses mid-curtsey, wondering whether to go on or pretend it
> never happened

Either way, We are amused.

--
Stacie, 4th swordswoman of the afpocalypse.
AFPMinister of Flexible Weapons, Bondage-happy predator,
Speaker-To-Students, AFPMistress to peachy ashie passion &
AFPDeliciousSnack to 8'FED "If you can't be a good example, you'll
just have to be a horrible warning." C. Aird, _His Burial Too_
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